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Truing by Charlie Sisk
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I Got a BEEF with Charlie Sisk ...
My life used to be fun.
I used to buy a rifle, and have oodles of things that I had to do in order to
make it shoot and work like I wanted it to. My wife was convinced of the necessity,
and tolerated it. I mean, who could argue with the need to bed the action. And
then of course, it was necessary to buy various types of bullets and powder
and primers and spend evenings in the workroom reloading for it, which required
a gadget for this and a tool for that, and as long as I'm ordering, I think
I'll take that too? Shipping, you know. Then of course, cleaning was required,
which necessitated various smelly chemicals, and a few hours in the workroom
after the quite frequent range sessions.
Like I said, life used to be so ... good. Buying a rifle meant I was assured
of at least a few months, often more, of VERY important things to buy and do
regarding my rifle. Serious stuff.
Enter Charlie Sisk.
OK, I gave him the benefit of the doubt on the .30-06 Ackley. I figured, you
know, it's the first rifle he's building for me, he's going to make sure it's
a ringer, etc. I dealt with the easy .5 MOA that rifle delivered as a fluke.
I mean, this ain't my first rodeo. .5 MOA doesn't grow on trees, right? It takes
lots of gear and time and ... fun to get it there. Charlie decided to
deliver it right out of the box. Okay. ONCE!
However, this time, I think it's fair to say that I have a right to be peeved.
So the new .257 Weatherby gets here this week, complete except for the paintjob
on the stock, which I requested he leave for me.
Specs:
Rem 700 BDL, blueprinted
25" #4 SS Krieger, 1 in 10 twist, 4-groove
Sako Hunter stock at an even 15" LOP
Talley QD's and my Zeiss 3x9 on there now while I await a new LPS 3.5-14 x 50
(thanks David).
AAAAAAnyway, I have two boxes of factory Weatherby fodder that I bought from
Weagle. 120-grain Partitions. I get to the range late today, so I figure I'll
shoot that up and make brass while I break in the barrel. Makes sense, right?
Not to this Sisk fellow.
First group at 100 yards ... .63.
Can't be. And get this, factory 120-grain Partitions are clocking 3380 fps!
Huh? Factory ammo! .63?? 120's at 3400 fps???
So I figure I'll clean it before the next group. That oughta fix it. I mean,
I've been HERE before. It's a fluke. The next group will be 1.75" and the velocity
will drop like a rock, things will be back to normal, and I'll start working
up loads.
So, Shooter's Choice MP7 on the brush, 10 strokes. Wet patch, dry patch. Shooter's
copper remover on the brush, ten strokes, wet patch, wet patch, and let it sit.
Five minutes later, I send a wet patch through, and this Sisk fellow is really
starting to piss me off, because it comes out clean as a whistle. Three shots,
and the barrel's done broke in. I'm really starting to feel cheated now. You
know that gnawing feeling in the pit of your belly after you've played the shell
game and the joker is walking away with your $20!
But I figure, it's not over yet. OK, so she cleans up. But she still has to
shoot.
Three more shots ... .410. SHEEEET. 3398. 3407, and 3409 fps. DOUBLE SHEET!
What do I TELL MY WIFE MR. SISK??
Well, by this time I have a good feeling my goose is cooked. I go through this
song and dance for three more groups, and only one is in the .5's. The other
two are one-ragged-holers. You can guess how I was feeling! I mean, this was
the end. A rifle that needs nothing. It's a one-holer with factory ammo, and
it cleans right up with friggin warm milk! I can't justify reloading for it,
can I? What the heck else more can I get out of it? And I can't rightly shoot
up the rest of that factory ammo. I mean, 25 bullets left. That could last for
years and years of big-game hunting. This Mr. Sisk guy is quite a piece ...
of ... work!!!
And then it hits me. All of a sudden, I know the answer. BARNES!! Yes, yes,
yes. I HAVE BARNES X's!!! I dig through my gear, and sure enough, I have 200
of the little 100-grain beauties all ready. Visions of posts referring to bad
accuracy, finickyness, barrel needs to be clean, but needs at least ten rounds
through it, but the gilding metal will mess you up, blah, blah blah, blah freakin
BLAH! YES! Of course, this Mr. Sisk had also sent along some prepped brass,
if you can imagine the nerve, so even though time was running short, I primered
some up with Fed 210 ( I purposely did not use the 210M, which I had), lugged
out the IMR 7828 (I'll do RE 25 next time), and cobbled a few together.
First group with 67 grains ... .55. DAMN! OK, but velocity is still low (3250),
and it won't like 'em hot.
Very long story not so long, I crept it up to 71 grains, and EACH AND EVERY
GROUP was in the .5's. What kinda load development is THAT? I mean, where do
you GO from there, Mr. Sisk?
The only hope left is that it was getting so dark that the chrony did not pick
up the velocity of the last two groups. Maybe it miraculously dropped to 2650
fps. Hey, it's POSSIBLE!
All I know is that I've been ROOKED.
I cannot recommend Mr. Sisk's services, unless you want to go through the same
sort of experience I did today, in which case, I highly recommend him.
You've been warned.
Rick
P.S.: Anybody wanna buy a box of Sierra 100-grain Spitzers in .257. I don't
think I'll be needing them, thanks to Mr. SISK!
A few weeks
ago I done some testing with shortening barrels with various calibers. I just
finished this test with a 300 Ultra.
These loads were EXTREMELY HOT !!!!!!!!!
I will not post the grains here because on the third loading the primer would
fall out of the case . I never load this hot , only this time for the test.
I used Remington brass, Federal GM215M primers, 220 grain round nose bullets.
I used the same procedures as the last test.
length.... H-4895 .....H-870
.....27 .....2740 .....3107 FPS
.....26 .....2709 .....3088
.....25 .....2685 .....3062
.....24 .....2663 .....3046
.....23 .....2636 .....3018
.....22 .....2612 .....2997
H-4895 lost 128 fps
H-870 lost 110 fps
Charlie

Rick
This is the first rifle I have built at my new shop. It is a Winchester push
feed 70 short action, Shilen # 3 SS barrel at 21 inches, Brown Precision stock.
I used Reloder 22, Federal GM210M primers, and 117 grain Sierra bullets at 2915
fps. I could not get this rifle to group any better at 100 yards no matter what
powder charge or seating depth. I even tried using the Lee factory crimp die.
Didnt make any difference. Just for grins I shot at 300 yards. Bingo ! Nice
little group but must have been a flute because its impossible to shoot smaller
at 300 than at 100. So I shot two more groups at 300 that were just like it.
Anyone had this experience ? Can someone explain why this is and give me some
data to support their belief ? To me this is impossible. But it is repeatable.
I have saw this on several guns I have built. Seems to happen more when using
a long heavy boattail bullet but not always. Its tough to sell a custom rifle
that wont shoot 1\2 at 100 yards . I have re-barreled several rifles that acted
the same way. I wonder how many rebarreling jobs I have done in the past that
were just a waste. Opinions please, good, bad , and ugly on why this happens
and what your thoughts would be if I were building this rifle for you.
Charlie
Been doing a little more
experimenting.........
For a long time I have wondered about how barrel length affected velocity.
I had always been told you need a certain length barrel for certain calibers.
I have read when folks compared one gun to another with different lengths but
I always thought that was not an apples to apples comparision. So I did a few
test myself.
All these were Shilen barrels. I used the same brass through out the whole test.
All weighed to with 1 grain. Bullets were tested on the Juenke machine. Powder
charges were weighed to .1 grain. The same rest, chronograph, Redding press,
primers all from the same lot, bullets for the same box, same lathe, same crowning
tool, same cutoff tool, and each rifle done from start to finish on the same
day. Ambient temperature was the same because I shoot from inside the shop.
I held the rifle the same way on the rest every time. I shot ten rounds first
to break in the barrel. Then cleaned with Sweets and fired one fouling shot.
Then shot five rounds and took the average. I used a midrange load fron the
Nosler book, not too hot but certainly not a reduced load. Here is what I got.
22-250 Hodgdon 380 34 grains Federal GM210M Remington brass 55 grain
Ballistic Tip
27 inches 3469 fps
26 3451
25 3425
24 3407
56 fps from highest to lowest
270 Winchester Hodgdon 4350 54 grains Federal GM210M Winchester brass
130 grain Sierra
27 inches 3115 fps
26 3093
25 3071
24 3054
23 3035
22 3027
21 3001
114 fps from highest to lowest
300 Winchester mag Federal GM215M Winchester brass 74 grains of Reloder
22 180 grain Partition
27 inches 3055 fps
26 3031
25 3024
24 3003
23 2984
22 2960
95 fps from highest to lowest
340 Weatherby Federal GM215M 250 grain Sierra
81 grains Reloder 22 Wby brass
27 inches 2837 fps
26 2817
25 2809
24 2791
23 2777
22 2755
21 2731
106 fps from highest to lowest
I think I will do a little more thinking before I recommend a barrel
length in the future. What do you folks think ?
Charlie
One more attempt to post a picture.
This is a picture of a 25 Super I built for Wayne van Zwoll.
Charlie
More details...
Remington 700 short action...ADL
25 Super
# 3 Shilen at 22 inches
High Tech stock
Timney trigger
Talley lightweight ring/base
Swarovski 3 x 9 x 36
7 3\4 pounds
Hello all,
Just wanted to share a little information, and give praise where it's due.
Received my new .358 win rifle from Charlie Sisk a few days ago, and have now
had time to play with it a little bit.
I am truly impressed and extremely satisfied. Thank you Mr. Sisk!
On a side note, I also had the chance to hunt for a day with Mr. Sisk and pick
his brain a bit about rifles, shooting, and hunting. He is truly a nice man
and speaks from experience. If anyone has any plans for acquiring a new rifle,
do yourself a favor and give Mr. Sisk a call. I promise you will not be disappointed.
I'm glad I did! Now the only question is how to get the wife to agree to letting
him build me another one...maybe a stainless/fluted barrel .25-284 with thumbhole
stock, for her of course!
Clay Boone
An ounce of experience is worth a pound of theory! To: charlie@siskguns.com Charlie, The .280 Improved seems to be shooting fine. I took 3 animals with
3 shots I used a 150gr Swift Scirroco, over 60grs of H4831@about 2900+fps. As you can see from one of the pictures, I also had a pretty critical Thanks for the nice rifles! Thomas Don & Bev Blacksher <dbblack@scottsbluff.net> wrote: From: "Don & Bev Blacksher" I am not taking credit for this--that goes to Charlie and his rifles. Don Blacksher Scottsbluff, Ne Impala shot with 375 Sisk rifle 270 gr Northfork bullet
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In a word, GREAT!
Charlie took the time to really listen to what I wanted in a rifle. He used
this information, along with his experience building and shooting rifles, to
put together a gun that is better than any other rifle I have ever owned or
handled. It points, functions, and of course shoots, like a dream. The very
first rounds I tried, factory ammo while I wait for my reloading stuff to arive,
shot under 3/4 of an inch at 200 yards! I can only imagine what a little handloading
will accomplish. Because he took the time to get the stock length and style
just right for me, recoil even without a muzzle break, is negligible.
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From: Carter_Thomas@wagnerequipment.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:48:36 -0700
in one day in Montana. This puts my Sisk Rifles total at 13 animals with 14
shots (put an extra shot in the Gemsbok for safety reasons).
Target-wise that was averaging about .8 in @ 100yrds, and just over 2"
at
200 yrds with my poor shooting. All three animals in Montana were shot from
195-220 yards in 30 mph winds.
audience for my shot on the Antelope (220yrds).


To:
Subject: SISK RIFLE TESTIMONIAL
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:02:01 -0600
I purchased two rifles from Charlie Sisk within the last year. They were both built on Winchester actions. The one is a 300 Winchester Magnum and the other is a 375 H&H. Both of these rifles will shoot groups at a 100 yards with all shots touching. This accuracy is with hunting bullets. [North Fork from Glenrock Wyoming to be exact] not target bullets. What more could you ask for? I took the 375 H&H with me to Africa in April of this year. I would have taken the 300 also but it wasn't quite finished at the time I left. I took several head of Plains Game and all were one shot kills. The Impala was taken at just over 300 yards.
Picture is of PH Deb van Rooyen, hunting consultant Lee Wilson w/ Bev & Don Blacksher
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